Sunday, February 05, 2012

Harry’s Place Racism Watch - Part 2

As before, these comments have been plucked unadulterated from HP’s comment section threads and no or minimal opining from my side is added: we dreg the sewer webs, you decide! Part 1 can be found here.


Evan @ 29 January 2012, 3:36 pm

It doesn’t matter whether Assad stays or goes.

The mental bonds responsable for this region’s political culture remain no matter what happens or no matter who takes power next.

Two groups of fascists, all of whom are motivated by the same basic fascism, battling it out to be top fascist.


Joseph K. 30 January 2012, 12:57 am

More bleeding heart nonsence from SarahAB about the poor, discriminated-against, downtrodden Roma. Should come to East London, Sarah. We’ve got thousands here, and none of them are starving and downtrodden. They all do very well out of benefits topped up with whatever they can thieve.

I once mentioned on here the case of Walthamstow’s most famous Roma, Lavinia Olmazu, an “inclusivity outreach worker” with Waltham Forest Council [you can always trust left-wing councils to dole out non-jobs as outreachers and co-ordinators to scheming grievance mongers.]

She campaigned against “racism” and “negative stereotyping” of the downtrodden Roma community, all the while running a gang of fraudsters that stole £2.9m in benefits.

If the ROMEA Association is so short of money, why don’t their thieving compatriots cough up some dough? They’ve got away with millions from this country alone.
I honestly think Sarah lives in la-la land regarding the Roma. Thinks its all wafting camp fires and violin music, when in reality its about stealing whatever you can get away with, from the easiest targets possible. Another Walthamstow story for you;
Romanian pickpockets jailed for stealing 88-year-old woman’s life savings

Warms the cockles of your hearts, don’t it? Those poor oppressed people… they’re victims, dontchaknow.

tokyo nambu @ 30 January 2012, 7:56 am

Watching said film is an exercise in the film-maker completely missing the point. Quote from the subtitles (@2:13) as the children walk around their grandparents’ house: “Look how they build the walls and then graffiti all over it. We don’t understand how they can live like this….Everything in this place is dirty and smelly, even the walls…They even go and make the ceiling dirty by throwing their garbage up there”

That’s me convinced. Is that the nasty white men breaking in at night in order to vandalise the innocent Roma? What is that magic force that stops the Roma from cleaning their house and avoiding throwing garbage at the ceiling? Ah, I know: Racism. Victims of racism are forced to throw garbage at the ceiling, because white men don’t pay them to stop doing it. Style of thing.


David Watts @ 30 January 2012, 3:04 pm

It i sa pathetic lie that oppsition to Islam is akin to racism. Islam has adherents from every race on earth. What’s more, even if some racial groups are more numerous among adherents of Islam, there are many more people of that same race group in other religions which are looked upon more favourably.

Islam is opposed because of what it stands for: because of the cruelties it practices and the bigotries it preaches. Because every Islamic-country on earth is a horrible place to live – even for most Muslims.

Peter @ 30 January 2012, 3:15 pm

I can’t figure if these are students with IQs lower than is supposed by having a student status or whether they think they are being ultra-smart and my IQ is so low I don’t get it.

Both, in part. They have low IQs, and they think they are ultra-smart but aren’t.
Islam isn’t a race but a religion-cum-totalitarian-political-dogma, however many time Humpty Dumpty says otherwise.

And anything said by LSE types is suspect for a start, especially if they start with “Union” instead of “The Union”.

You've listened to Beethoven's Ode to Joy, right? Now listen to 'Nick's' Ode to Racism:

Nick (in South Africa) @ 30 January 2012, 4:25 pm

Also pretty much any speech should be protected, short of actual incitement to violence. Even if it’s wrong, even if it’s bigoted.

‘I cannot stand Maggie Thatcher’, should be kosher.
‘Someone would shoot Maggie Thatcher’, shouldn’t.
‘I hate the bloody Frogs’, should be protected speech.
‘All bloody Frogs deserve a good punch in the nose’, shouldn’t. [see also below, my edit]
‘Eskimos are short arsed, stumpy, slanty eyed, fish smelling simpletons’, should be allowed.
‘Eskimos should be drowned in Walrus piss and fed to polar bears’, shouldn’t.

Is this THAT difficult to grasp? Is the reason this is important not entirely obvious?
Please note: These examples were used to make a point, I have nothing against Maggie Thatcher, Eskimos or the French as individuals. Though truth be know the Frogs are something of a pain collectively.

Matzoball @ 30 January 2012, 4:25 pm

Why do so many millions of Muslims choose to live in non-Muslim countries whose values, religion, and culture they purport to detest, and, in some cases, seek to destroy?

Please help me to understand …

And here’s a bit of anti-French bigotry (‘frogs’ is derogatory vernacular for ‘the French’):

Nick (in South Africa) @ 30 January 2012, 4:55 pm

Alan A
But they produce good cider and wine.

Certainly they do with wine, can’t speak for their cider. Many of their women are stunning and the countryside and much of the lifestyle is sublime. I’ve found the food overrated though.

[on ‘the Frogs’, my edit]

Mickey @ 30 January 2012, 6:46 pm

The Muslim Brotherhood is dedicated in its own words to “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.”

It was the Muslim Brotherhood who 1st coined the phrase “islamophobia” in order to stifle any debate on islam.

The LSE are useful idiots.


Mickey @ 31 January 2012, 2:50 pm

Yoni wants to study medicine to save people’s lives, whist the Pali studies terrorism to destroy lives. Just about sums it all up.

Think of England @ 31 January 2012, 6:24 pm

Yoni Jesner’s family sums up the difference between Israelis (and Jews) and Muslims. The PA, as an example, names plazas and streets after their terrorists and they contribute nothing to the world but terror and whinning; while Jews strive for positive accomplishments and succeed hugely.


This one’s not strictly racism but the comment just shows hwo by creating ‘guilt by association’ an entire political party can be found guilty. Guilty of antisemitism, what else?

tokyo nambu @ 1 February 2012, 7:33 am

The reason the shadow justice minister associates with anti-semitic fascists is that the Labour party is either an anti-semitic organisation, or is deeply relaxed about anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is a successful policy for Labour because it gives it access to a Muslim block vote, aided by Labour’s cynical policy of disenfranchising women by removing the right to the secret vote.

People who court anti-semites are anti-semites. People who join organisations that court anti-semites are themselves aiding anti-semitism. People who are members of the Labour party and yet claim to be anti-fascists should pop down to IKEA and buy themselves a mirror. Labour openly supports fascism, and by remaining members you are yourself members of an organisation that supports fascism.

That’s the victory of the PSC. Anti-semitism is now normalised, accepted and encouraged by shadow ministers. The Tories have distanced themselves from the MCB, for example, while Labour are close associates of significantly more extreme organisations.


Fabian ben Israel @ 2 February 2012, 8:02 am

Though you might find it difficult to find just one Syrian who doesn’t hate Jews, I think that things cannot be worse than they are now with Assad gone. Assad was already supporting war by proxy (Hezbollah) with Israel. Can the Syrian Free Army top this?


An Obvious Point @ 3 February 2012, 3:21 pm

Funny that Arabs and Muslims so rarely seem to ask themselves what they are doing wrong.

Perhaps that’s why they’re unable to correct their mistakes.

Ethan @ 3 February 2012, 3:26 pm

@ An Obvious Point
Careful – you may just be an islamophobe.
In that case, welcome to the club. We have bacon and beer on tap.

And a bit of pro-Colonialism form ‘Cipriano’:

Cipriano @ 3 February 2012, 3:55 pm

Besides, what sort of arsehole thinks that saying Israel has “all sorts of affinities with nineteenth century settler colonialism?” automatically wins the argument?

Of course “colonialism” was the worst thing in the world. No it fucking wasn’t, “Professor” Chalcraft, as most African tribes (except of course the ubiquitous WaBenzi) could tell you. Fifteen years ago the Sierra Leoneans were begging us to come back.


Josh Scholar @ 4 February 2012, 6:23 am

And the innocent Palestinians caught in the middle are not innocent because of this: God didn’t make them helpless. If they can not improve their society, their situation it is because they choose not to.

Fabian ben Israel 4 February 2012, 6:50 am

Your ideals are very noble Marc. There is no doubt about it.

The question is reality. And this is where it gets complicated.

Give the Palestinians the West Bank. They will ask for Jerusalem.

Give the Palestinians enough to sign a peace treaty (though I know this is almost utopian). The next day the Palestinian state will start it disintegration process, like Egypt, like Syria. It will be a failed state. There are no resources nor human capital, no modern knowledge and no modern culture to be a succesful state in our age. Services will start declining, people will start complaining, and then suddenly you will have a war with Israel again.

Fabian ben Israel @ 4 February 2012, 8:26 am

Sarah, I think this must be because Nakhba Day is celebrated the day the Jews declared their own state and not the day the Arabs of Palestine lost theirs (that should be the 29th of November 1947 when the Arab countries rejected Partition, or the last day of the war of independence, when Judea, Samaria and Gaza became occupied by Trans-Jordanians and Egyptians instead of becoming part of the Arab state of Palestine.

I am happy on Nakhba Day. Why should I be sad?


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