Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Homophobia Justified...

On the comment section of a devoutly Catholic blogger (who will remain unnamed, I've no interest in starting yet another Internet feud), I found her justification for what is nothing more than plain old gay bashing, feebly disguised as 'facts'.

Here's the
webpage our intrepid Catholic serves up to support her bigoted beliefs aren't only religiously PC but also rooted in 'filthy facts about faggots'. There's really only so much I can stomach, so here are just a few gems. Not for the faint of heart!

The Statistics on Homosexuality and its Effects (Catholic Apologetics International)

October 2005

Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:

Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7)

This is true of a lot of people and hardly typical of gays.
Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence" (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels "subjective distress") (27)

That's right, homosexuals managed to get their sexual orientation declassified as a 'disorder', simply by bullying the establishment...
73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13)

What to say? I'll leave it gays to comment on this.
25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11)

Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, "Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities" (10)

Did he keep his job, despite such utter nonsense?
It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10)

Hurray, an explanation for high US medical insurance rates: t'was gays wot did it!
Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.

Bigoted nonsense not worth rebutting.
The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8)
The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8)

Whoooaaahh!!! The bloody 'faggots' pay with their lives. There is justice after all...
Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8)

The Law of unintended consequences? Nah, just plain old BS.
About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12).

Sure, sure... (sigh)
Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

If you play homosexual recorded voices backwards you can hear Satan too...
Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right -- as heterosexual Americans already have -- to see government and society affirm our lives" (27)

Finally, the author's objectivity shines through. About time too...
Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: "The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion" (1)

More plots against the Church! But with defenders like this one on their side, their battle will inevitably be lost - good!
Homosexuals aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?

They're good enough to go to the workplace so they should just shup up. Pesky things...
The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24)

Damn it! No children, so they end up with more disposable income. Maybe we need to introduce a 'gay tax'...
A phrase that has come up recently in this earth is "sexual orientation." This is a phrase made up by homosexuals to try to make themselves look less filthy than they really are. The purpose of the phrase is to take the spotlight from what these perverts do, and put it on the notion that they are just poor, mistreated people, who simply are attracted to members of the same sex - as if they aren't engaging in activity forbidden by God Almighty. "Sexual orientation," as used today, has nothing to do with sexual activity (yeah, right), but only refers to who or what a particular person is attracted to. If you think that people of other "sexual orientations" are just fine, let's see what other "sexual orientations" you would necessarily have to accept as wholesome and pure. If you're not going to discriminate based on "sexual orientation", then you must not discriminate against any of the following. Bestiality, pedophile, necrophilia., exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism, masochism, sadism, transvestitism, voyeurism. If you discriminate against any of these, you're a hypocrite. These "sexual orientations" are generally known as "paraphilias", and are mental disorders - just like homosexuality used to be (29)

Perverts, bestiality, pedophile, necrophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism [huh??? Is this sex with lattes or something?], masochism, sadism, transvestitism, voyeurism...

Yep, it's all there.

Don't take my word for it, here's the entire piece. Fully referenced, dear reader... but most referenced papers are nearly 20 years old.


At 6:17 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

What pisses off homophobes is when I state that science has determined that homosexuality is overwhelmingly cause during fetal development, that it occurs in the animal kingdom (so why did god creat gay sheep for example?) and that it occurs in 5-10% of the population so it is more natural than being a red head.

At 6:18 PM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Actually, I thought the article made some very good points. Showing the statistical pitfalls of homosexuality is not bigotry, just cold hard analysis. However, I do understand that liberals seek to advance sexual liberation of all kinds, so to them this post surely must be politically charged and infuriating.

The question you must ask yourself is this: If all God references were removed from the article, and it was presented by a secular source, would these facts and figures still be troubling to you? If not, than you need to ask yourself who is prejudiced.

At 7:16 PM, Blogger Cookie..... said...

Hmmm...good point MZ...

At 3:53 PM, Blogger Gert said...



Mad Zionist and Cookie:

What this FreeRepublic page, this blogpost and Madze's comment shows is five things:

Firstly, that there are at least two Christians and one religious Jew who still are bigoted with regards to homosexuality.

Secondly, that said individuals feel a need to supplement their feeble faith with pseudo-facts.

Thirdly, that said individuals are very gullible.

Fourthly, that the separation between Church and State is absolutely necessary to avoid persecution of any minority of which bigoted religions might not approve of (see also the Catholic Church's unholy past).

Fifthly, that the laws against the discrimination of gays remain necessary today as ever.

If I ever come across a secular person with similar belief systems as this nutter from FreeRepublic, he'll get exactly the same treatment, trust me on that...

At 6:55 PM, Blogger Amy Proctor said...

Gert, with all due respect, homophobia means literally to be afraid of homosexuality. I have nothing to fear; but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion.

I have a close loved one who spent years as a rock-n-roller and lived in an atmosphere condusive to all sorts of bad things. He lived with gay roommates, had gay friends, and the lifestyle and behavior is a step beyond even immoral heterosexual behavior.

Those stats that say many "homosexual encounters occur while drunk, high...." are true. The leading cause of death among gay men is suicide. And please don't blame that on pressure from society; I would have committed suicide long ago if that were the case.

It is indeed unnatural. I don't think I need to draw you a map. But don't confuse the condition with the individuals, or should I say confuse my estimation of both.

One of my brothers is gay. I have no problem loving him or liking him. I do both. I'm not saying he chose his condition or not, but he's been a drug user, alcohol abuser, and suicidal. He isn't abnormal for his circumstance, and he has supportive parents.

Johnny and I, as Christians, have helped gay men. One guy in particular comes to mind; his name was Curtis. He was dying of AIDS and I cooked for him, showed him compassion, all the things that Christ commands us to do in Matthew 25 out of love.

We also went to a funeral of a family friend who was gay; he died outside a gay bar in a fight.

I've also done hospice work with AIDS victims (from drug use) who were personal friends.... I knew a LOT because we were involved in a drug rehab ministry. I cleaned up their vomit and diarrhea, jobs the nurses weren't thrilled about doing.

So before you go spouting off that I'm homophobic, I'd suggest you evaluate your own acts of kindness and charity toward gays.

Look, the homosexual desire is very strong few can master it. I have no bias against anyone because they are gay. My lifestyle has been one of compassion towards GAYS. The behavior, however, is unhealthy. Love doesn't just tell people to do what they want even if it kills them, it advises the best case scenario. I don't think gays need to stop being who they are; I just think they need to be responsible with who they are. Some are, some are. And yes, gay sex is immoral. To anyone not relgious this doesn't matter, but to anyone with a heart it should.

At 7:00 PM, Blogger Amy Proctor said...

baconeating, what a sickening user name.

My brother, for example, was "normal" but my parents were not. Typical nuturing problems: domineering mother, very passive father. There is a balance between nurture and nature. Some people are gay probably just because...some becuase of their upbringing. Some choose it, some don't. It's really not up to us to decide which; I rely on the person himself to tell me which it is in his case.

We know science is 100% accurate, what with global warming and Neptune being a planet and all....

At 7:42 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Amy, most people like my ID. You sound a bit anal. Are you sure you aren't a gay man trapped inside a woman's body? You need to lighten up a bit, or will Jesus smite you if you do?

I think the reason gays commit suicide and may become drug dependant is because of social stigmatism and how people like you and Mad Zionist go around the blogoshere telling people how abnormal they are.

You mean Pluto not Neptune. And science isn't arguing about the fact of whether Neptune exists or what it is made of...just whether or not we should classify it as a planet.
And global warming is a complex situation. But it does have a scientific explanation that requires millions of super computers to figure out exactly why the earth's temperature is changing. There are just way too many factors to pinpoint even the biggest cause at this time. My personal theory is that it has to do with the earth's natural cooling and heating but human's could be making the process speed up a tad.
My guess is you don't know much about science, you have all the science you need in a book of myths that states gays are bad and the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and that a great flood occurred murderring just about every living thing on this planet.
Just a guess.

At 8:51 PM, Blogger Gert said...


Your efforts to come to terms with homosexuality are laudable.

When it comes to defining homophobia, you resort, as you do so often, to transparent literalism: words like homophobia, xenophobia or racism have multiple meanings, the literal one regarding homophobia being actually the least encountered. There are people who literally have no compunction to murdering gays (or other members of minorities): their homophobia has nothing to with fear and everything with hate.

Your attitude to the "morality" of homosexuality is hopelessly hypocritical and smacks of something you're trying to internalise by some bizarre reasoning: it must be hard to love your brother and believe he is acting immorally at the same time.

This is so typical of so many in the Church: they're caught between devoutness and the realisation that these gay people cannot be all bad.

My advice: give it up as a bad job. Accept your faith and accept that not all that is written in the Holy Books is pretty or true. This way you can believe without double standards and without having to rely on "data" that are merely concocted to fit your beliefs. A whole lot of weight should fall off your shoulders, many Catholics have gone there before you.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME: why is, according to you, homosexuality immoral?

At 9:11 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Oops, whatever Amy has it must be contagious.

I meant to say that scientists aren't arguing about whether Pluto exists...

At 3:52 PM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Actually, my opinion that homosexuality is a disease which should be cured was formed way before I became religious. I don't hate gays anymore than I hate any other people who are sick. Homosexuality is an ailment from which gays suffer, and we as a society can either work towards curing their illness or brushing it under the rug and saying "it's all good" at their expense.

I would also like to cure bi-polar disease/manic depression, anorexia, schitzophrenia and many other mental illnesses that are harmful to both the person afflicted and to society at large.

Forget the religious argument for a moment and focus on common sense and reasoning. I can justify my position as being sympathetic to the victim as well as civilization, while you are totally uncaring of both the afflicted as well as civilization as a whole.

As to the argument that the animal kingdom has homosexuality, well, the animals have many of the same illnesses that man suffers from, only we are advanced enough to find cures. It's as if you would say that because dogs have rabies we should also have rabies parades and rabies pride marches.

At 4:33 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Mad Zionist:

You're attempting to rationalise your own irrationality. Your basic premise that homosexuality is a disease (on a par with bipolar, anorexia and schizophrenia, no less) is a complete fallacy and is in that respect similar to the many other belief-systems under which you toil.

You're like the racist who justifies his racism by saying: "I'm not racist, because it's true, blacks are inferior to whites, it's a fact ergo I'm telling the truth. The KKK have produced studies to that effect. And Hitler proved that whites are the original master race, surely everyone knows that?" Mr H. also tried to rationalise the Nazis' attempt at exterminating the Jewish people by means of pseudo-science, remember? Oh, and among other "undesirables" were also homosexuals...

There is nothing "ill" about the many gay people that I know personally. They suffer no adverse effects from their sexual orientation, apart from the occasional insult and sometimes worse at the hands of homophobes. Homophobia, like many other forms of xenophobia, is on the decline but old habits die hard. Homosexuality in Britain was an imprisonable offence until a few decades ago. Whilst the stigma has now been largely lifted it still lingers on.

All three monotheisms condemn homosexuality and haven't helped the cause for equality at all. But when has religion promoted equality, ever? Religion is a divisive force.

The Catholic Church in particular remains extremely hypocritical in their "yes but no"-approach vis-à-vis homosexuality. Their historical position on Jews wasn't pretty either. And all for the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, oops, I meant G-d...

Proverbially speaking at least, you are indeed mad...

At 5:18 PM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...


If a person is misprogrammed, either by society or biology, to take on destructive and/or abnormal behaviors why would you poo-poo it by pretending there is no problem? It's like the Wizard of Oz telling Dorothy there is nothing to see behind the curtain.

Look, statistically speaking male homosexuality is indeed deadly to those adopting this alternative lifestyle. You can holler, yell, scream and cry that that is a racist thing to say, but you will be only telling me not to follow science, and for someone as hung-up on hating religion as you are that seems to be more than a little hyporitical.

Female homosexuality is far less deadly than male homosexuality, and far less socially stygmatized, however it still does produce disproportionally higher percentages of mental illness, depression, suicide and shortened lifespan than their heterosexual counterparts.

Look, you could tell me that those afflicted with Down's Syndrome are some of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. I agree. Tell me how dwarfs are just a wonderful as those of normal size. Fine, they can be. And you can plead to me that those who are obese should be treated the same as everyone else, and I'll say of course they should.

However, we try and find cures for their ailments and abnormalities just as we should be doing with homosexuals and other sexual miscreants. However, your bias gets in the way of biological and sociological treatments that could end their afflictions and give them a better quality of life.

Religion backs this up, obviously, but we don't need religious arguments to win this debate, Gert.

At 6:30 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Actually, I wonder if there is something that can help someone is hardwired to believe in mythological stories like the Ark and Exodus even though there is absolutely no evidence that either occurred, and in fact, lots of evidence that both events were impossibilities.

Maybe this guy should look into a patch for children predisposed to be Creationists.

At 7:03 PM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Hmmm...tolerance of disease and illness, but intolerance of cures or solutions...

Typical fundamentalist athiest.

At 7:48 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Homosexuality is as much of an illness as red headedness and left handedness.

FundaMENTAL Religionists are way worse off when it comes to having a sickness. Those who readily by into myths in spite of contrary fact and evidence are scarey. Especially those who think without God's word they would be rapists, murderers and/or thiefs. Science forbid they should ever fall off the Godwagon.

At 7:49 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

"buy" into myths...science dammit.

At 4:54 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Mad Zionist:

I suggest you take your opinion on the 'illness of homosexuality' to a gay forum and see what kind of reaction you get.

At 6:50 PM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...


If such a forum exists they would be as unlikely to admit they have a problem as going to a forum for gambling and telling them to go to rehab. A legal addiction is not something many people admit to having a problem with - until it's too late.

A person addicted to deviant, risky sex or lifestyle is no different than any other addict: until they admit they have a problem what's the point?

At 8:10 PM, Blogger BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Mad Zionist has a point. Creationists and anti-evolutionist reality deniers will never admit they are ill. They are too ill to even realize how ill they are.

At 5:02 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Mad Zionist:

Your definition of "illness" is absurd: consenting behaviour between two adults that doesn't hurt or harm them or anyone else simply cannot be defined as illness by means of any rationale.

But extremist like you will declare anything they dislike to be an 'illness': the Communists also routinely sectioned dissidents to "psychiatric institutions", simply to get rid of them, so you have something in common with these crackpots too...

You're posing as a 'humanist' on this issue by declaring you're not a homophobe "but homos are ill and, being the good Samaritan that I am, I want to help them".

Your former friend Beakernutz also discusses (often quite 'seriously') the idea that liberals are mentally ill. It's the same kind of quackery: "if we can't beat them, let's declare them mad".

You're simply an intolerant fire-breather who hasn't even really got the intellectual honesty to say what he actually believes, instead you hide behind 'rationalisations' so feeble only an idiot would even briefly consider them.

I think you would really like to have all "undesirables" (by your definition) to be terminated...

At 12:50 AM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Your definition of "illness" is absurd

Based on what? Your sixth sense? A hunch? A gut feeling that I can't be right? Look, homosexuality is either a mental illness or a conscious pathological behavior. I am of the compassionate group who believe they are ill.

But extremist like you will declare anything they dislike to be an 'illness'

I don't like opera but I don't think opera singing is a mental illness.

You're posing as a 'humanist' on this issue by declaring you're not a homophobe...

First off, what gave you the idea that I'm posing as a "humanist"? Humanists are the sick, twisted bastards that want to endorse homosexuality as normal despite the damage that it does to those afflicted.

As far as denying being a homophobe goes, that is another false accusation. I am in fact a full blown homophobe, as the damage that the pandemic of Same-sex Disorder inflicts upon the world upsets me terribly. I want to help, while the leftists sit back with blinders on pretending everything is just fine.


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