Wednesday, November 09, 2005

Bliar Defeated over 90 days Detention!

His Prime Ministerial Presidentship Bliar III, has lost the whipped vote in the House of Commons over the 90 days detention without charge for terror suspects.

Right now I'm too numb from pinching myself, so more to follow later. Suffice to say that the Threatening Tone for once hasn't prevailed, thank the Lawd...

The main questions that spring to mind immediately are:

1. the future of the PMP?
2. the future of the anti-terror legislation in general?

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At 6:52 PM, Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

When I found out I was pleasantly shocked too and you could just feel this blanket of hell start to retract. I hope the future of anti-terror legislation isn't in whatever the Murdoch press, Tony Blair and Ian Blair say should be. That would be start.

In this specific case I hope the Lords chew up the Glorification of Terror stuff which just seems an enormous nonsense.

I must now confess my ignorance, I looked up PMP I just don't know what it means !

At 7:46 PM, Blogger Gert said...


I call Bliar His Prime Ministerial Presidentship (PMP).

At 8:41 PM, Blogger Richard said...

Heh. I don't think I need to say anything other than, not before bloody time. His days are numbered, I'm certain.

At 9:51 PM, Blogger J.UL1R4 said...

Ah ok Gert, there was me looking...I found Pretoria Metal Press, Personal Music Player and a few others :)

I agree with Richard, I think Blair has been shot for some time and now he has fallen into a pit of his own making.

There might be a slight danger that another terror attack could keep him around a while longer and there is always that worry. And then he and Murdoch will go "look I told you, all you softies tries to stop us etc" and then the 'Indirectly looking like you are thinking about terrorism' bill will be forced onto Parliament. And Charles Clarke will be saying 'we need these tough laws, we need to regulate thought'. And Ian Blair will be saying 'if you just have this chip injected you can be safe', and mysterious polls will appear in the Murdoch press saying '72% of people don't mind having a chip injected into them'....shudder.

Actually you know what ? I don't think even that will save him. Blair is finished.

At 6:28 AM, Anonymous Inquisitor said...

This defeat says much about the foundations upon which much transnational militancy breeds - the propensity to protect our right to freedom as opposed to others' right to life as indicated by Blair not suffering a similar defeat in the case of the Iraq war. So much for the myth of 'civilian innocence'.

At 6:53 PM, Blogger Timmer said...

Gert -

As you know, this is sad news indeed to me and my "ilk." I don't follow Tony much in his domestic dealings, so can't speak to that.

On the 90-day detention, I think it is unfortunate that Blair is not given this provision, which would enable in-depth interrogation (not torture) to gather intelligence. Not much you can get out of a terrorist suspect through his lawyer...and I for one would like to prevail in this war on terror!

I know you disagree, but Tony Blair and the UK have been noble and true friends to the US in this struggle - and (obviously) at a huge cost politically.


At 3:33 PM, Blogger Gert said...


When it comes to these matters, you and "your ilk" alway confuse the issues, by making it sound like your opposition (our ilk) doesn't want to catch these guys.

Nothing is further removed from the truth.

Let me remind you that Britain has far more experience with fighting terror in the homeland than perhaps any other country in the world, due to IRA terrorism.

During their '72-'74 campaign the IRA struck on a weekly basis in a terror campaign which makes 7/7 look like a picnic. No special police powers were needed then to catch the cell involved.

Detention over prolonged periods was applied to IRA members and it made matters worse, as their sympatisers soon joined to take their place.

What's needed is good old, effective police work, not hocus-pocus or foreign invasions.

We do value our civil liberties perhaps more than most countries because the concept more or less originated here. We're not willing to throw the child away with the bathwater, simply because of a few terrorists...

The International "war on terror" is nothing more than conservative's knee-jerk reaction. You amongst many others are simply being led up the garden path


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