Saturday, March 25, 2006

41% of Israel's Jews favour segregation

The Guardian.

• Poll reveals widespread anti-Arab sentiment
• Academics warn of racism 'becoming mainstream'

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Friday March 24, 2006
The Guardian


A poll of attitudes among Israel's Jews towards their country's Arab citizens has exposed widespread racism, with large numbers favouring segregation and policies to encourage Arabs to leave the country.
The poll found that more than two-thirds of Jews would refuse to live in the same building as an Arab. Nearly half would not allow an Arab in their home and 41% want segregation of entertainment facilities.

The survey also found 40% of Israel's Jews believe "the state needs to support the emigration of Arab citizens", a policy advocated by some far-right parties in the run-up to next week's general election.

The poll was conducted by a respected Israeli organisation, Geocartographia, for the Centre for the Struggle Against Racism, founded by Arab-Israeli academics. "Racism is becoming mainstream," said the centre's director, Bachar Ouda. "When people talk about transfer [removal] or about Arabs as a demographic timebomb no one raises their voice against such statements.

"This is a worrisome phenomenon. The time has arrived for the Jewish population, who experienced what racism is on its flesh, to wake up and change its way."

Among the poll's other findings was that 63% of Jewish Israelis consider their country's Arab citizens a "security and demographic threat to the state". Some 18% said they felt hatred when they heard someone speaking Arabic, and 34% agreed with the statement that "Arab culture is inferior to Israeli culture".

An Arab-Israeli member of parliament, Taleb el-Sana, said he was not surprised by the findings.

"This shows we're not talking about a few people, but rather, a worrying phenomenon that places question marks over the Zionist movement," he said.

Mr Sana said polls that show anti-Semitism in other countries are greeted in Israel with a frenzy of denunciations.

"Yet when it happens at their home, they're quiet, and that's why this is a two-fold failure - they are racist, and they're also not attempting to address their own racism," he said.

Some Israelis have explained hostile attitudes toward Arabs not as racism but as stemming from years of conflict and religious differences. But Ahmed Tibi, another Arab member of parliament, said Israeli politics fuels racism.

"Overall, it pays to be racist in Israel because you don't pay a price for it and you can always explain it away by a security need and a self-defence mechanism," he said. "Racists have a long time ago moved from the street to government benches."

Far-right parties running in next week's general election in Israel have built significant support with anti-Arab platforms.

The Yisrael Beiteinu party advocates redrawing the border to place about 500,000 Arab-Israelis inside a Palestinian state. Yisrael Beiteinu is expected to win about 10 seats in the 120-seat parliament, meaning it could hold the balance of power. Another right-wing coalition is expected to take a similar number of seats.

Haaretz newspaper reported this week that the Kadima party, favoured to win the election, decided not to include an Arab in a viable position on its election list because it would cost the party several seats.


Looks to me much of Israeli mainstream is veering dangerously close to fascistoid white supremacism, including matching apartheid...

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11 Comments:

At 5:02 PM, Blogger woman wandering said...

I enjoyed wandering through your blog. It was intriguing.

And thanks for stopping by and commenting ... for some reason, I can't release your comment from moderation. Blogger assures me I have but I see no sign of it on my site.

 
At 5:40 PM, Blogger Gert said...

It may just take a little while to appear, blogger does that sometimes.

Thanks.

 
At 11:11 PM, Blogger Richard said...

*50-80% of Palestinians support the specific targeting of Jewish civilians,*

Incredible. Are you honestly expecting anyone to believe that pollsters roam Palestine conducting surveys?

 
At 1:48 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Richard:

We have a blogspammer on the loose: the blogger that goes around by the nom de plume "Why Palestinians Usually Get It Wrong". This guy is entitled to his opinions but goes around posting multiple "articles" from his own blog in multiple comment sections of multiple blogs, including mine.

When I commented over at his blog, he deleted my comment, then refused to publish another.

Henceforth I unconditionally delete (without reading) anything this crackpot tries to publish here. I would advise you to do the same.

 
At 7:18 PM, Blogger Gert said...

To Why The Palestinians Usually Get It Wrong:

Haven't you had enough of your little game yet? You've posted 20 to 50 irrelevant comments on my blog in the last 4 - 5 hours, all of which have been deleted, unread, as promised. What have you achieved, other than wasting mine and your time (much more of yours)? You've done this to several people and look where it got you: a few spammed you back and you had to implement comment moderation, something which will cut down the amount of valid comments you'll receive to a fraction. Well done. You're well on the way to destroying your budding blog....

 
At 11:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was an interesting longer tv news item on last night ... about the pilots in the Israeli airforce and their refusal to carry out any more targeted killings in Palestine. The Guardian had written them up, and I found this in the Haaretz http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=One+racist+nation+Levy&itemNo=698698 and this group have a web presence http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/how_we_are_en.asp

There are two sides but I guess it's important that we never forget The Standford Prison Experiment and what happens to people when they exert heavy controls over others ... http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/97/970108prisonexp.html

Hmmm, might choose anonymous on this one :)

 
At 2:48 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Anon:

Thanks for these links. The Haaretz article will be published here soon.

 
At 3:58 PM, Blogger Wolfie said...

I think this swing is due to the influx of Russian Jews since the fall of the iron curtain, whom I have observed to be rampant supremacists. I suspect some even are lying about their Jewish roots.

Also, I've seen posts elsewhere by that nutter. Wow - fruitcase!

 
At 5:12 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Wolfie:

Not sure about the white supremacist thing but this is for sure: the new immigrants, wherever they come from, are always the most ardent, uncritical supporters of Israel. Guess it's always easier to swear allegiance to a new flag than to an old one.

Converts are always the most fanatical: a bit like ex-smokers often are...

 
At 3:21 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

The Guilty ones


People love to point the finger at Israel.One of the many acusations people make to Israel.., is that the Israeli state is Racist.

Mr Gert did just that and to make his point more clear he posted 2 articles, one from Haaretz, the other published in the Guardian.


But these criticisms actually make sense ?

No.

Just look at the guardian article.

The Jews are criticized for being racist because they want to live separeted from the Arabs.

It happens tought that the palestinians also want the jews living in the west bank kicked out .

They want the settlers out but one one does consider that to be racist or apharteid.

In other words :
When palestinians want the setlers out.., and want a west bank palestine free from jews.., people do not criticize it.

But when the israelis after 4 years of violence want to live separed from the Arabs...., holly cow.., this is racism !!!!

Why people criticize the jews for wanting to leave separated from the Arabs and do not criticize the Arabs when they openly declare they do not want jews living among them in a palestinian state ?

There has got to be a reason.

But there is more.


Last february a JMCC poll found more than half of the palestinians did support the killing of Israeli civilians.

JMCC is a well known palestinian institution.

Such fact made headlines in the Guardian ?
I do not think so.


Did Mr Gert mention this fact in his blog..., or did he mention other polls in wich the palestinians did support the suicide bombings ?

No.


Once again we can see the same bias.

So.., when it comes to the Israelis...,people does conclude that they are racists because 40% of them want to live separeted from the Arabs.

When it comes to the palestinians.., when the majority of such palestinians declare they support what Human rights watch considered to be crimes against humanity.., well...;
People look the other way.

In other words : People just do point out the sins of the Jews.


This is racism and anti semitism.


If day after day people do point out the crimes of the blacks and ignore the misdeeds of the whites..., one has got to conclude such people is racist.

They do not treat whites and blacks in the same way.


(Actually some claim that this does happen in the south of the US. Blacks are convicted much more often than whites).

Today israel is demonized not because israel is the criminal country people claim , but because inside peoples minds the jews are still the guilty ones.

 
At 4:05 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Solitario:

"Mr Gert did just that and to make his point more clear he posted 2 articles, one from Haaretz, the other published in the Guardian."

Don't shoot the messenger. Both articles are from Israeli sources.

"It happens tought that the palestinians also want the jews living in the west bank kicked out ."

Thee settlers aren't "immigrants", they build entire villages on territory that is widely recognised to be Palestinian. UN resolutions condemn these settlements as illegal under International Law. Many Israelis in the mainstream are abhorred by this behaviour by a small group of religious extremists, who believe the land was "given to them by God". They contravene Israeli law as well, which they generally don't accept as valid. If Kadima has its way, even in the unilateral scenario, most of these settlers will have to go, except for Ma'ale Adumim and Ariel mainly. This is not just a Palestinian perspective. There is, by the way, plenty, plenty of land in Israel Proper to house these people: they simply CHOSE to go and live in areas that are predominantly Palestinian, for mainly religious reasons.

"In other words : People just do point out the sins of the Jews.

No, they don't just do that and neither do I. Only obstinate, blinkered people like you believe that.

"This is racism and anti semitism."

No, it's not. Criticising Israel doesn't make one anti-Semitic. Only very small-minded people are ready to call anyone anti-Semitic, because it's quite a hurtful allegation. I also criticise the US quite frequently, does that make me anti-American?


"If day after day people do point out the crimes of the blacks and ignore the misdeeds of the whites..., one has got to conclude such people is racist.

They do not treat whites and blacks in the same way."


That would make you a racist then, since you don't treat Israelis and Palestinians the same either?

"Today israel is demonized not because israel is the criminal country people claim , but because inside peoples minds the jews are still the guilty ones.

I strongly disagree. Jews aren't the guilty ones, I never said that. But in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict both sides have committed crimes and misdemeanours, that doesn't absolve the Israelis though. Do I really have to use the Sabra and Shatila massacre as an example?

 

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