Friday, February 29, 2008

Lionheart: chickenhawk

Paul Ray's adventure as a fugitive from British law continues. Paul, aka Lionheart (aka Lyin' heart in my book), who faced and dodged arrest by the Bedfordshire police for having possibly committed an offence of stirring up racial (or religious?) hatred by means of written material, has sought refuge in the US where he's hoping to obtain political asylum.

It's clear that whether or not Paul would actually have been charged with anything following the interview (that may now never take place) would have depended to considerable extent on Paul's own account of his actions. It needs to be noted that actual convictions for offences of stirring up racial/religious hatred in this country are extremely rare. There have only been about 40 convictions in the 20 years the laws pertaining to these offences have been in place. The low conviction rate is due in part to the caveats regarding freedom of speech, in part to the fact that 'stirring up hatred' isn't something that's easy to prove in a court of law.

Paul recently published a number of recorded telephone conversations he's had with DC Ian Holden (presumably the Arresting Officer) and DS Steve Fraser (the latter's supervisor), both from Bedfordshire police, in which Paul seeks clarification of what would happen to him (upon surrendering to the police), as well as engaging in a number of increasingly unrealistic pleas for mercy. You can find Paul's recordings here.

Well, I've gone through the process of listening to Lionheart's ramblings painstakingly and several things become clear: Paul's a crashing bore who repeats himself ad nauseam with little understanding of legalese or his own situation. On a related blog post he claims:
Listen to telephone conversation 1 on this post, and you will hear the glee in the officers [sic] voice that they have a charge against me and an arrest for me: Police phone conversation

Anyone listening to these conversations can only hear one thing on the part of the officers: weariness (and not glee) at Paul's repetitive incomprehension of his own situation and the sheer unrealism of some of his semi-demands. Paul, despite a rather heroic self-image, ain't no hero at all...

Elsewhere he posits:
Given the circumstances there is no way I am going to walk down to the police station and hand myself in to the police so that they can arrest me and possibly imprison me over my blog - Political persecution!

Paul's attempt to try and blame his (back then still potential) misfortune on a perceived political witch hunt is of course risible to the nth degree but fits in well with his self-aggrandising nature, his utterly Manichean worldview and reductionist rationale. But clearly he's meaning to go on as he started by adopting the invective of political persecution.

His endless and utterly cowardly pleading with the Bedfordshire police officers breaks down along the following lines:

  1. Paul didn't understand that in somewhat euphemistic police jargon 'interview' actually meant 'arrest and interview under caution'. By 'under caution' is meant here very simply that Paul will be read his rights (for US readers: read Miranda rights). This is standard procedure and it's there also for the protection of the arrestee. Any old fool though would understand that 'interview' and 'arrest' were always going to mean the same thing.

  2. Demands for unconditional bail. Again, any idiot can understand that prior to the actual interview the police cannot only not give such guarantees but that the interview itself and subsequent consultation between the police and the Crown Prosecution Service would have determined whether bail was applicable and what kind of bail would apply.

  3. A proposal to hold the interview over the phone, too ridiculous an idea to actually entertain: it's impossible to caution someone without their physical presence at the police station.

  4. A rather last-ditch attempt at pre-emptive bartering: Paul claims (rightly or wrongly - I cannot be the judge of that) to have helped Bedfordshire police with their enquiries regarding known drug dealers in his area. Whatever the case may be, we can't let the good Samaritan who commits a crime off just because of previous good deeds, in the same way we don't let a criminal off just because he's also done good in the past. Ironically, in the unlikely event that Paul would actually have been charged with an offence and tried and convicted in a just court of law, Paul's previous alleged cooperation with the police would undoubtedly have served him well at the sentencing level. Again, Paul is either incapable or unwilling to understand or consider that.

  5. Claims that he cannot surrender to the "prison system" (in Paul's parlance) because it's full of the same people he allegedly helped put behind bars. For this, Paul's life would be in jeopardy, or so he claims. Again, this is extremely self-serving and highly simplistic interpretation and takes no account of how the prison service actually works. And all apart from the minor little detail that a custodial sentence in Paul's case really is the very worst case scenario.


Lastly, regarding Paul's bail, since he's now shown himself rather spectacularly to be a flight risk, no judge or magistrate in their right mind will now take a chance with Lionheart, if he ever decided to show up in a British police station.

Some readers will by now believe I bear Paul ill will but that's not true. I don't for one minute believe that Paul's chances of getting a conviction, let alone a prison sentence, are high or should be high. But through his own quite delusional actions Paul has made things a damn sight worse for himself: he's actually pointed the finger of suspicion firmly at his own person. The clever thing to do would have been to show up for the interview and build a robust defence in the case of being charged.

As the real Lionheart, who spoke little English and spent most of his time in France, might have said: Quel imbecile...

10 Comments:

At 6:58 AM, Blogger USpace said...

You may be right, Lionheart may have jumped to conclusions a little too soon. But then again he has reason to worry. One, they said they are going to "arrest" him, not JUST question him. Even if they put him in jail only overnight, he could very well be killed, the drug dealer he helped put in prison has many friends in the local jails. And it seems the cops are controlled by these Pakistani Mobsters. They control Luton.

Paul Ray is not an anti-semite like the Islamofascists are. Also, most people in the BNP are not racists and antisemites, they just don't want out-of-control immigration.

If other political parties would address immigration problems not as many people would be attracted to the BNP.

He also has NOT called for any violence against Muslims in general, he has said many times that the majority of Muslims, who are peaceful, get treated the worst by the radicals; and they get threatened or beaten when they speak out against the Jihadists.

Denmark's Socialist leader Villy Sovndal has been starting to speak out against the Islamification of Denmark. Very loudly I might add.

The Left is starting to wake up. It is OK for Britain's Leftists to wake up too. Muslims are not a 'race', they are of a 'religion' and an ideology.

Being against those in a religion who preach your downfall is not 'racist' in any way.

Being of the Left, and therefore a 'champion' of human rights; including of course women's rights, you must not feel too good about the Muslim drug gangs turning young non-Muslim British girls, white, asian, and black into drug addicts and seducing them and then letting their friends have their ways with the girls and then pimping them out as prostitutes, some as young as 14. The Legal age for 'consent'.

Indigenous British citizens have rights too, including all the 'evil' white people.

Of course Lionheart knows that most Muslims aren't terrorists, but he also knows (just like you do), that most terrorists today are Muslim, not all, but most.

There have been over 10,000 acts of Islamist inspired terrorist attacks worldwide since 9/11.
All of them documented at:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Just a warning, it's a very graphic site, but then terrorist attacks are very graphic, the truth must be shown, and told, no matter how disgusting and sick it is.

We can't stop, WE MUST NOT STOP fighting for Free Speech and Justice! We will fight for Lionheart!

The 'Bushies' would never advocate these legal shenanigans but some of the PIAPS people and Dhimmicrats do and would.

This 'Racial & Religious Hatred Act' is a load of crap. Hopefully it will be scrapped someday when the lawyers start being pressured to use it against Islam's obvious and much more virulent hate speech.

This planned arrest is terrible news for Lionheart, Britain and the world.
Probably the Luton Pakistani Muslim Heroin and crack gang (which is also involved with forcing non-Muslim teen girls into sex-slavery) who he has helped expose pressured the dhimmi pigs to arrest him.

Too many in the dhimmidiot government in Britain are pathetic and corrupt.
The EU is showing itself to be very evil in practice as well as most misguided and extremely stupid and ignorant of reality.

This suppression of free speech will actually cause more violence and hatred of course.
This case will also serve to educate the masses even more about the evils of Sharia and the importance of standing up to Islam.

This must be made very public, we should all tell all our friends about this. Spread the word! God bless Lionheart, I believe he will prevail.
The lawyers on the Right MUST be supported to start fighting this BS more.

Both 'The Left' and 'The Right' should be ticked off about this.

We should tell all the Radio Gods about this. Maybe they'll rant about it on their shows.

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw most bloggers

license all the rest
monitor their writing

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
eliminate FREE speech

the truth may not be spoken
if criminals are exposed

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense

exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe loves
corrupt politicians

offer immigrants welfare
get their votes to keep your jobs

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
be traitorous garbage

just destroy your country
screw your decendants
.

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http://haltterrorism.com/

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/

:)
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At 7:25 AM, Blogger USpace said...

And furthermore, the evil forces are after Lionheart because he helped the cops put a drug dealer in prison, then they started sending him death threats and then the cops wouldn't help him.

Local bloggers blogging locally all over the world generally are going to face much more danger because they will always be in their foe's backyard reporting on everything they do and driving them mad for revenge.

He's not just writing about Islam encroaching on Europe and the UK. He's writing about what a very wealthy and well connected Pakistani Muslim organized crime family is up to in Luton. His home town.

The Pakistani Muslim Mob, the 'Mafia'.

WE ALL MUST NOT STOP fighting for Free Speech and Justice!

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
ignore creeping sharia

don't believe Jihadists
want world domination


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
vilify Christians

they are not all terrorists
but most terrorists are them


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
blame your failings on the Jews

for a few more thousand years
they are Earth's scapegoats


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
keep your immigrants down

give them welfare not careers
let boredom fuel their anger


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
worship the state

and your dear leaders only
they are your only Gods


http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

http://dhimmitude.org/
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At 5:03 PM, Blogger Gert said...

uspace:

One can always take the measure of a man by the company he keeps: Paul's support base is a bunch of deluded Ultra Far Right keyboard warriors, high on rhetoric, hyperbole, invective and most willing to believe anything anybody says or writes as long as it confirms previously held belief systems. You are one of them, I've seen you post over at Paul's several times. You belong to that particular type of US Far Right bloggers whose opinion on Europe and now also the UK is being fuelled by a number of agitators and their wholly propagandistic lies, exaggerations and distortions. Previously these guys were just plain old racists, but now, armed with the ammunition of 9/11, they can claim to be 'freedom fighters'. No serious person takes you, Paul or your ilk seriously, not even the traditional Right (see e.g. LGF). Paul hasn't even made it to Faux Noise, clearly they have more common sense that I sometimes give them credit for...

By the way, your 'defender of freedom of speech' (Paul) has already unceremoniously deleted a comment from me that was part mild mockery, part well-meant advice. So your hero resorts to censorship, while all the while claiming 'the evil Dhimmified, Eurocrat, Marxist-Stalinist UK Broon Government' is trying to do the same to him. But last time I looked, Paul blog keeps ranting and raving on, without restrictions or censorship. It's rather typical of far right loons like you or Paul's that they love freedom, as long as it's their kind of freedom.

And when Paul will be refused political asylum in the US and comes back to the UK, tail between his legs, you and your ridiculous compadres will have moved on to find another loon to worship and briefly put on a pedestal...

In short: I pity you but please... piss off!

 
At 8:30 PM, Blogger USpace said...

Wow Gert! You seem to be a typical hateful and racist Left-wing communist loon.

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

Hitler came from the Left you know. But keep moving Left anyway, just move Left, that's just what the Marxists want. LGF is hardly a typical so-called 'Right-Wing' blog. If they were, they would support the European people's right to their homeland.

GoV is so totally not racist that they will delete any comments that even come close to seeming a little racist.

Classical Liberals, who are called 'conservatives' today advocate Free Speech for everyone, Left-Wing Socialist moonbats included.

The Left claims to support Women's rights and Gay rights, that is a lie when it comes to criticizing Islamic treatment of women and homosexuals.

I know you don't support honor-killings, or stoning adulterers or rape victims, or homosexuals. So why support people in a certain culture that commit such despicable and barbaric acts?

Communism is evil and socialism doesn't work, Left-Wing totalitarianism in the form of Multicultural madness and Political Correctness run amok is evil, don't you agree? I would hope you would, however I have my doubts.

Gert, I assume you are a 'good' and well-meaning person, but remember that many 'good' and 'well-meaning' people supported Hitler and Lenin too, before their evil was made so public and obvious only the craziest could continue to ignore it and support them.

Most of 'The Left' continues to ignore and appease the 'New Nazis' of today.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
your culture is supreme

you must KILL all writers
who expose its many failings


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
allow crimes based on culture

condescend to immigrants
put up with barbarity


absurd thought -
God of the Universe loves
moral relativism

your culture has no problems
if it has honor killings


absurd thought -
God of the Universe thinks
BIG government is needed

people need a nanny
tell them how to live life


absurd thought -
God of the Universe thinks
women are inferior

the Left should sacrifice them
to not offend religions


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
KILL ALL homosexuals

according to Sharia
the Left will not condemn you


absurd thought -
God of the Universe loves
multiculturalism

respect other cultures
trying to destroy yours


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
HATE your culture

defending your culture
shall be viewed as racism


http://stophonourkillings.com/

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/

:)
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At 9:38 PM, Blogger Gert said...

uspace:

Sir, you are clearly an imbecile. Kindly take your conspiracy bullshit and your piss-poor "poetry" elsewhere. There are plenty where you came from, you'll find shed loads of other kids to play with in your self-styled sandbox, over at Lyin' Heart, Gates of Viagra, Always on Quatch etc etc.

But please don't bother serious people with your excrements.

 
At 11:08 PM, Blogger USpace said...

Gert, I started out being very civil but you are very nasty and rude, and thus clearly a fascist and a nut. You are obviously a communist and a terrorist appeaser.

The Left is a lie Gert! Your belief system is bankrupt. You are a self-hating Brit and it's a good bet you are an Anti-Israel, antisemite.

Your vicious hatred towards some of my friends who are among those in the blogosphere most sympathetic to oppressed people shows you to be the dangerous quack that you are.

May God bless you and help you to get over your severe mental illness.

You align yourself with the New Nazis, the Islamofascists. People who want you converted, dead or enslaved. How crazy is that?

You don't want to know the truth. That is truly frightening.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
LOVE communism

the only right you have
be part of the collective


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
HATE capitalism

and the pursuit of profits
ignore supply and demand


absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
Hitler was ALL Right wing

MOVE Left everyone
fascists can't be from the Left


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communistsforkerry.com

absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com

coxandforkum.com

gatesofvienna.blogspot.com

alwaysonwatch2.blogspot.com

:)
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At 6:28 AM, Blogger USpace said...

Gert, also, I wish Lionheart hadn't censored you, he should have just debated you. He has left some pretty nasty and hateful comments on his blog. From what you said you said it didn't seem bad at all.

Also, I'm not trying to write 'good' poetry, I'm just trying to get people thinking with these absurd thoughts.

Some of them really scare some people, even some of my fellows in the counterjihad have commented about that. Many of these 'absurd thoughts' make Leftists, and Jihadists, extremely upset and angry. That must be a good thing.

I'm also banned in China and proud of it.

Also, there is no conspiracy involved in Islam trying to conquer the world, the Radicals openly declare that this is what the Koran tells them to do, spread Sharia law until the whole planet is living under Sharia. Of course this could take a couple hundred years.

But I still don't want my great-great-great-great grandchildren living on a planet ruled by an ideology approaching the Taliban's.

I don't think you want that either. Check out the Socialists in Denmark.

There's no conspiracy when it's public knowledge for anyone who wants to look at it.

If it turned out all us counterjihadists had been wrong, we would all be thrilled and very relieved. Peace.


haltterrorism.com

:)
.

 
At 2:58 PM, Blogger Gert said...

Uspace:

Run along now dear, you might be missing one of "The X Files" reruns...

 
At 3:35 PM, Blogger USpace said...

Gert -

Thanks for reminding me, great show!

USpace

:)

 
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